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I've seen quite a few people complaining about the story in this game. Story-wise I honestly think it's got all the other FE games beat by a considerable margin. (the ones I have played and finished, at least. So FE2, 4 and 5 are out.) No, it's not perfect, but it's the one game where I did not see the main twist coming despite all the hints being dropped. And I was pleasantly surprised by how well-written Gangrel turned out to be. IMO it's hard to write a believable 'batshit crazy chaotic-evil villain' character.

The Big Bad villain was pretty blah in comparison, but I can overlook that when considering how strongly he/she is tied to the aforementioned twist. I also figure his/her mentality must be somewhat transcendental and incomprehensible to mortals by nature.

While we are still talking about the writing, though... the stupid paired endings and recycled children/father supports. And the glaring lack of SpotPass character supports. WHYYYYY. WHYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY.

It's like IS is forcing us fans to draw our own endings! I will step up to the challenge when I get more free time. Just wait and see!

On a less infuriating/ agonizing note, the game also needs non-flirty supports when one or both of the characters have already been married to someone else. No wonder a certain second gen character suspects his father of cheating.



Let's talk about everyone's FE:A favorite characters and pairings! Who/what's yours? Gush about your choices! Gush time!

GUESS MINE. :iconimhighplz: I have several (we all do, right? How can you pick only one?) so it shouldn't be too hard to guess!
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Celestial-Gold Featured By Owner Apr 9, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
My guesses on Keiii's favorites are: Lucina, Owain, Lon'qu, and....Lissa?

My personal favorites are Mirabelle and Laurent. They're both stereotypes at a glance, but I like the facets in personaily they show of through their supports. (Laurent being concerned with the wellbeing and health of others which is especially sweet with Lucina or Kjelle, while Mirabelle has a teasing side that Brady falls victim to.) Oh and Libera, despite the fact he's a buff Lucius.

I don't have too many OTPs, considering how many variations I want to try out over multiple playthroughs. Though so far Libera/Panne I've really enjoyed together, and I think their paired ending would be cute for Panne- a taguel caring for human orphans (along with her own children, I keep thinking of how rabbits have a high reproduction rate). And Olivia/Chrom is almost like a puzzle plot-wise. I keep trying to figure out how it would work, an arranged marriage? Maybe to support some kind of alliance with Feroxi?

I like the idea of Avatar/Tiki or Yarne or any of the shifters really (gives Morgan yet another class option! Though disapoints in how there's no Taguel or Manakete custom portrait for Morgan) especially with Tiki considering the whole Naga vs. Grima plot thread. It's hard for me to have a favorite pairing with the Avatar with how...awkward most of the S ranks of theirs are. Really really awkward.

I find Sumia/Chrom to be not only the most boring option out of his supports, but so ineradicably cruel to Cordelia. Sumia's her best friend and has to know about her crush! Yet she goes an marries him? Ouch.
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keiiii Featured By Owner Apr 10, 2013   General Artist
Maribelle turned out to be... a lot like me. @_@ And I agree! These characters are not nearly as one-dimensional as many of the previous FE characters. I was very pleasantly surprised.

Chrom seems like really naive when it comes to romantic relationships. Pretty much all of his S supports (except Sully's, because I haven't seen that one yet) make him look like he really doesn't know what he's doing with women. So I'd say he just followed his heart without understanding his own feelings/ the situation well.

It's really hard to pick a favorite this time around. With previous FEs, I had one or two landslide favorites, but this time I really need to pick like 5-6. Lucina, Owain and Lon'qu are definitely up there. Lissa is... very close but I'm okay with putting her in my second favorite group.

I'd say:

Top favorite (in no particular order): Lucina, Lon'qu, Owain, Nowi
Second: Lissa, Maribelle, Gaius, Vaike, Morgan

then there's a whole bunch that didn't quite make the cut but still get love from me. :heart:
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Celestial-Gold Featured By Owner Apr 10, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
I really like Maribelle a lot. First playthrough I had her get hitched to Chrom, but now I'm not sure who else would be good for her? Awakening has been a pleasant surprise, even if it's happiness levels make it blaze like a sun compared to past FE worlds/plots.

Chrom does seem rather naive with women,like with the Avatar and Sully he basically just treats them as friends rather then trying to charm them or anything. Olivia's just a funny case because AT MOST you can get a C Support with Chrom before the plot has them wed (though it gives the player their S support in the Library). So if I try to reconcile it within the narrative, I dunno, funny reasons like political alliance or the question of Chrom's libido crop up(which are mostly my imagination).

It's hard for me to usually not like the entire cast! But there's always a couple of my top favorites (who I enjoy collecting via Spotpass) and usually a few forever benched. Though benching happens a lot less with the almost-limitless resources and grinding.

Nowi and Gaius! How could I forget about them? Their quirkiness is just right, even without their other aspects I'd be fond of them.
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keiiii Featured By Owner Apr 11, 2013   General Artist
There's that two year gap, so I think it isn't too unreasonable that Chrom simply fell in love with Olivia during that time.

I like pretty much all Maribelle supports I've seen, although some were more interesting than others. Gaius and Vaike ones are lovely even though they aren't the best husbands for her, gameplay/ min-maxing wise. Also heard good things about her supports with Frederick~
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Celestial-Gold Featured By Owner Apr 12, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
That'd possibly apply to the arranged-marriage-gorwing-into-true-love tropewhich is one of my favorites~

I want her to have a good supportive husband too! I've heard her supports with Ricken are also really nice...I did go through a lot with him and very few seem like anything approaching romantic. XD Fred's with her are pretty funny.
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keiiii Featured By Owner Apr 13, 2013   General Artist
I've paired her with Ricken once and didn't really like their supports. The most interesting that ever happened between them, IMO, was the reveal in C where you learn that Maribelle doesn't care so much about wealth (which is great... it's a lot more than I can say about so many people IRL!). After that, there's no tension to be resolved, just a smooth ride to marriage, more or less. S support has what could almost be called a moment of tension, but nothing serious or interesting.

Looking at their flashback conversation after chapter 11 though, arranged marriage between Chrom and Olivia seems highly unlikely (as much as I approve of sensibly arranged marriages IRL).
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kureejiilea Featured By Owner Apr 8, 2013
I don't normally post about fandom stuff a lot, but I'm coming up to the final chapter of the game and it's been on my mind pretty solidly lately so... why not?

I have to say, I find almost the entire cast endearing in one way or another. Gaius' chill attitude (until candy is involved) is fun, Sully's casual confidence is great, Maribelle shows a surprising amount of concern and depth for someone I was initially prepared to write off as a self-centered snob, Frederick's sense of proper decorum and morale are amusing, Lissa has a bit of a bite to her for a princess/cleric, and Chrom tends to be stuck as the straight man in ridiculous situations. The cast really does seem to grow through interactions -- so I guess that's why it's so very disappointing that not everyone has supports with each other and that the father/child ones are largely copy-pasted. I kind of feel like Chrom at least should be able to interact with the entire army, as the leader, and beyond that, it feels like there are some missed opportunities. It's pretty satisfying when you get A/S ranked characters paired up on the field and kicking ass (especially since you can actually see their relationship grow through their actions in battle), so it's sometimes a little saddening when there's that lack of growth.

I've messed around with some pairings and have found a lot of them to be cute (though some really seem to get a little shallow or quick for the S levels), but I think my favourite is Olivia with Henry. On the surface I'm sure it can come off as kind of weird, because when you get down to it, Henry's just about a sociopath. In a lot of ways he's played off as creepy and goofy, with the near-constant optimism coupled with an eagerness to kill. However, looking into all his other supports, I find him and Olivia to have the most depth (or potential depth) together.

First off, yes, Henry is a creepy, emotional mess. Essentially, he's the way he is because of neglect. His parents didn't give a damn about him and tried repeatedly to avoid having to look after him at all. He gets abandoned in the wilderness with only animals to keep him company and then shipped off to some kind of school/institution where it's implied he was tortured to the point of not being able to properly register physical pain. About the only living being that looked out for him as a kid was a wolf of all things, and then it was hunted down and killed in front of him. When he first shows up to Chrom it even seems like he has a bit of trouble remembering to talk to a person after talking to crows. Tharja flat out says that she finds his heart hard to read and that it's almost like he doesn't have human emotions. Panne compares him to a kid picking wings of insects being too young to understand what it's like to have humanity. Henry is hardly antisocial in that he's happy to chat with others and doesn't avoid interaction, and he loves animals, but he absolutely doesn't think twice about killing. In fact, he enjoys it. On top of all that, the fact that he's from a country that's a theocracy literally built around the skeleton of its patron monster probably didn't help anything. So ultimately, it seems that his problem is a lack of empathy coupled with an attempt to not feel (or refusal to acknowledge) anything negative (the constant smiling).

Part of the fun subversion of his character is the whole "dark mage" angle plus the pleasant optimism. Obviously, the juxtaposition between the obsession with blood/fondness of killing/casual creepy remarks and the smiling/laughing/joking and pleasantries is striking and used for comedic purposes. Adding to this, while Tharja, the other Plegian dark mage, tends to be moody, secretive, petty and self-serving, Henry is extremely obedient (with some obvious exceptions) and willing to do whatever he can do help another person without needing anything in return. Even if he laughs at someone getting themselves into a tough situation, he seems happy to go out of his way to get them out, if only to make things easier for that person. He seems to genuinely enjoy helping others, even complete strangers (like the pregnant villager). On the flip side, it's this tendency that also tends to showcase his lack of empathy: when he sometimes offers to do something horrific to another person (literally up to and including slaughtering their companions) just for another's benefit (usually out of extremely simplified logic), it becomes clear that he doesn't realize that he shouldn't say such things to begin with. He doesn't dwell on the others' reactions of shock or indignation, but he doesn't really get it, either. He understands their happiness on a relatively simple scale and it doesn't go much further than that.

I think it's worth noting that while Henry expressly enjoys battle and killing, and he may be ruthless or even cruel (especially with revenge as a motive), he doesn't seem truly sadistic or even all that blindly murderous. To clarify, he has no qualms with killing his opponents, sometimes to a disturbing degree (because of his lack of humanity), but he doesn't show any desire to actively torment or cause pain (if anything, he shows a willingness to perform mercy killings to avoid suffering, though this may only extend to sympathetic parties). Along that line, while it takes him a while to even notice injuries (implied to be a result of having been put through a lot of physical/magical torture as a kid), he expressly says he doesn't like pain -- but he also shows eagerness and delight when going up a powerful opponent who could potentially do him great harm. What seems especially telling, however, is that Henry attempted to stop Plegia's attempt on Emmeryn's life -- for completely selfish reasons devoid of any loyalty to his homeland or concern for the exalt. He saw that war was brewing and thought that, should Emmeryn be killed, Ylisse would fall quickly. On the other hand, if she survived, Ylisse would still remain a strong force against Plegia and the fighting would be more drawn-out and intense. Henry sides with Chrom's forces because he figures it will give him more opponents to fight. When Tharja questions his loyalty, he says that he doesn't care about politics and just wants "to throw fireballs at bad guys." He tells Lissa and Ricken that war is about "making the other guy dead" before he can do the same to you or those you care about. Ultimately, the war is very impersonal for Henry. However, if he were a straight-up serial killer, he wouldn't have needed the war to happen to go around committing murder. Therefore, it seems that what he's really into is the challenge of battle itself, and wanted the war to happen to as to be in a "justified" situation to fight others to the death.

However, with all that in mind, it ultimately seems like Henry isn't incapable of emotional bonds or empathy. If anything, his eagerness in many of his S supports seem to indicate a strong desire to be close to someone (though admittedly, some just seem to be an extension of him letting others use him, just to be as helpful as possible -- in some ways, it could be argued that he's highly impressionable and/or a bit of a doormat). With Panne and, to a degree, Cherche, you can see that part of his comfort with them relates to fond memories of the animals that essentially raised him, while on their side, they see an opportunity to literally teach him humanity -- to truly care about other people. They (eventually) feel that it's possible. Along that line, this growth is also shown in Henry's supports with Ricken. When Ricken worries that Henry will resent the Shepherds for killing several Plegian soldiers with whom Henry had once been comrades, Henry replies that he finds resentment pointless and so chose not to do so. Ricken takes this to mean that Henry wouldn't care if he were killed in battle, but Henry immediately replies that he'd be "sad and angry" and make a point of getting revenge if that happened. When Ricken points out the contradiction, Henry seems a bit bemused and eventually assumes that this means he considers Ricken and the others true friends, though he's reluctant to dwell on it.

So how does sweet, innocent, shy, reluctant-to-kill-even-when-necessary Olivia fit into this? Almost all of Henry's supports involve him bending over backwards to help someone else and often jumping into marriage out of practical, friendly reasons without any deeper, emotional connection shown. Olivia is about the only one who takes the initiative to help him with his problems and recognizes just how far they go before resolving to do all she can just to get him to emote properly. While the others tend to be largely unconcerned about why Henry acts the way he does (with Panne almost dismissing him outright because of it) and essentially just use him for his help, Olivia is keenly perceptive using her own life experiences as a dancer (an "actor" in a sense). She spends time with Henry because she wants to help him and he comes to appreciate her concern. Eventually, it gets to the point that, when confronted with the notion of almost dying, Henry, the guy who's said to have a low heart rate in the middle of battle, the guy who casually offers murder as a solution to multiple problems, the guy who uses curses to make people gush blood out of various orifices, the guy who quite possibly killed dozens people in his own homeland due to unfortunate events, the guy who showed no concern when his former comrades were defeated, the guy who kills other human beings without a second thought, cries. This is pretty much the strongest example of him actually caring about another human being and being emotionally affected by anything. It's an indication as to how he has the capacity to grow, develop true empathy and ultimately even become a good father in the future timelines (as is said to happen). Olivia's said to be the type of person who has rather strong insecurities and fears but is able to get past them when it's for the sake of someone else, and this relationship shows that quality of hers.

...tl:dr version, they're sweet together and I apologize for writing a small novel here. Guess this what happens when I don't regularly do fandom.
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keiiii Featured By Owner Apr 8, 2013   General Artist
We don't know if Henry became that way because of experience. He may have been born that way, and his upbringing may have simply reinforced what was already in him. Either way, though, his crappy childhood did not help, even if Henry himself isn't feeling miserable about it.

I have major beef with Panne's characterization (she seems terribly INCONSISTENT) but I happen to agree with her assessment with Henry. There is potential in him; he could learn to feel and care, to be more in tune with that side of him. He will never be a philanthrope like Kurthnaga, but it isn't a stretch to imagine him grow to be a loving dad like his paired endings say.

In any case, messed up characters like Henry and Lon'qu hold this special appeal. Those characters are essentially an emotional challenge: a labyrinth, or perhaps a mighty fortress, and you are to somehow find a way in and reach the core. Forging a bond with such characters can be so rewarding. For whatever reason I don't feel much of a connection with Henry (I do like him, but not crazy about him) though. Lon'qu, on the other hand... <3
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kureejiilea Featured By Owner Apr 8, 2013
While that's true, it felt to me that what was there was meant to indicate a lot, if not all of it, stemmed from experience, and it makes enough sense to me. Obviously, I can't say if there was anything about predisposition since I didn't write the thing, though to me that feels a tad on the cheap side. I think most of my point (swallowed by the tidal wave of text -- sorry about that) is that I liked that pairing in particular since many of the others just seemed to boil down to "Aw, Henry's so helpful when he's not creepy, I guess I'll keep him around to make me feel better" without a lot of mutual affection or depth. It does bug me that it seems like Tharja and Cordelia end up placing whoever they're with ultimately in second place to someone else, though.

Lon'qu's pretty awesome, though having played Tales of the Abyss, I felt like I'd seen his backstory done before. He kinda ended up paired up with Panne before I really knew what I was doing... haha, oh well.
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keiiii Featured By Owner Apr 8, 2013   General Artist
Never stuck with the Tales series past the first game, but I looked it up and it looks like Lon'qu and Guy are two very different cases. Guy seems like he's truly afraid of physical contact with women. Lon'qu, on the other hand, is a less straightforward case. According to Lon'qu himself, it's an irrational fear that any woman that becomes close to him may suffer a tragic fate, but I don't think he understands his own phobia 100%.

I have quite a bit to say on this subject (probably not as much as what you wrote though, haha) so I'll save it for when I get around to posting my next Lon'qu picture. :D

And yeah, some supports are much better than others, pretty much for every character. Even in the same line of supports some are better than others. I ADORE Lon'quxNowi but their S support was such a letdown ._.
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kureejiilea Featured By Owner Apr 8, 2013
Oh yeah, they're not 100% the same or anything. Just at a glance, it was like "Oh hey, a dude who had a horrific experience as a child involving a dead girl who's now afraid to be near women but can overcome his phobia in a life-or-death situation. I'm having flashbacks!" I would say that Guy's version of events unfortunately gets a tad more convoluted than Lon'qu's. =P
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keiiii Featured By Owner Apr 8, 2013   General Artist
Not talking about the EVENTS... talking about the way the events influenced the characters.

I could still be wrong since I haven't actually played the game, of course!
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kureejiilea Featured By Owner Apr 10, 2013
Nah, the way both characters react to it and even resolve/come to terms with it (with Lon'qu's case somewhat depending on who he has supports with) are rather different. It was just the basis that seemed so similar (or maybe it's been done a lot and I've only happened to see it in these two particular games). In Guy's case the reason wasn't known initially and he tended to react to any contact with a lot of panicked flailing while Lon'qu is... much more reserved and tense about it.
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keiiii Featured By Owner Apr 10, 2013   General Artist
That's not what I was referring to, but yeah, I agree with your observation. :D

What I was referring to is a bit of extrapolation, so as much as it would explain a lot, it's neither confirmed nor denied in-game. I'll talk about it when I do/post a colored Lon'qu pic.
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Ernoma Featured By Owner Apr 6, 2013  Student General Artist
My favorite characters who aren't MU or Chrom, have to be Lucina, Gaius, Yarne, and Frederick. :heart: My favorite pair tho is probably FemMU and Chrom solely because it worked so damn well with the plot. ugh. Had she married someone else in my first playthrough, I don't know if I'd like Chrom/FemMU as much. xD

Does... is your favorite character nowi ? o3o
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Narase Featured By Owner Apr 6, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
AMG! I am STILL HOOKED on this game (got it almost on release day...despite the messed up release schedule)...I check it everyday for character Birthdays and I'm trying to trigger every bloody support convo.... amg it's taking FOREVER D=
(But at the same time I got to explore some funky class changes...Frederick = Griffin Rider, Panne = Assassin, yeeesssss )

Chrom x femAvatar will FOREVER be my OTP
That aside....Frederick & Panne support is the funniest thing too imo.

And I rather like Noire and then there is Gaius' sweet addiction
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Pompi Featured By Owner Apr 2, 2013
I haven't finished the game yet, so I will scroll read through the comments some other time.

As for gushing!!! I really like Owain. There's something about his stupidity that I find really amusing. Along with Gaius and Henry. On the other side of the spectrum, I really like Miriel and Laurent, and Nah... and Maribelle, actually. Too many! Too hard to choose!

I don't have a pairing I really ship, but I tend to enjoy the friendship pairings! A lot! And the sibling ones as well. I find them to be a lot sweeter and more amusing than any of the flirty supports. I know I couldn't hold back on the giggles with Gaius's and Libra's B support convo.
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keiiii Featured By Owner Apr 5, 2013   General Artist
I LOVE OWAIN TOO. He's so adorable in his B support with Inigo (was it B? The one where they talk about his notes), and his supports with Cynthia just about killed me.

Maribelle is surprisingly awesome. I was fully expecting to dislike her, but nooo. What a surprise. I have a lot in common with her, just in a different flavor (the whole proper noblewoman thing isn't my style at all).

MirielxLon'qu supports murdered my sides. Most of her supports are hilarious, but that one took the cake.
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BasicallyTonic Featured By Owner Mar 31, 2013
I hated the lack of DLC supports too... lame.
Tharja, makes a very interesting partner for your avatar... not sure how i felt about it... kinda funny since she has similar supports for your female avatar too. lol ... kinda creepy... X.X Noires got some amazing skill open to her! If you havent already, check her out! I always love characters with galeforce, astra, and armsthrift, combo!

All in all i agree! LOVED the story and the gameplay! !!~WELL DONE NINTENDO~!!
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keiiii Featured By Owner Apr 5, 2013   General Artist
Galeforce, astra and armsthrift all come from Avatar and not innately from Noire/Tharja, so yeah. I haven't recruited Noire yet but I can already imagine how awesome she's gonna be as Ricken's daughter. +6 mag, aegis, pavis, sorcerer? She's NEVER going to die, man. The lack of armsthrift is sad but not anything I can't deal with.
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BasicallyTonic Featured By Owner Apr 7, 2013
that makes sense.
I always tried to have her as an archer since shes the only other one beside Virion.
But that defensive sorcerer sounds AWESOME!! Plus if you had a companion for her with dual guard, that would help some too! And if you were able to somehow get renewal for her.. lol she would be unstoppable! ...but im not sure Ricken can become a battle cleric.. Ill have to check that out!
The lack of armsthrift tho, would make me not want to use any of the timeless/legendary items... just since im super conservative in my weapons, but its nothing that a bunch of forged brave items couldnt replace, since they easily can be bought now! :)
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keiiii Featured By Owner Apr 7, 2013   General Artist
Yeah, I'm a sucker for Too Awesome to Use too. [link] So glad it's easy to buy stuff in this game.
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BasicallyTonic Featured By Owner Apr 8, 2013
LOL that link describes it perfectly! :)
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keiiii Featured By Owner Apr 8, 2013   General Artist
tvtropes is made of awesome. :la:
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BasicallyTonic Featured By Owner Apr 10, 2013
Agreed! :)
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harblkun Featured By Owner Mar 30, 2013  Professional General Artist
waaaa! This game was so amazing and I love how well the supports fleshed out the characters! Virion's my favorite--he was such a surprise too. I don't seem to have the same problems raising archers as some do, so he escalated quite nicely in my files, experience-wise and in stat growths. It's pretty awesome being able to use him as a NO DAMAGE bait to draw out the people you want to recruit. Anyway, I like all the interesting facets of his personality and how he's genuinely sincere and actually quite clever despite how he plays the fool all the time.

My favorite pairing is Virion/Sully, I find their interactions delightful and I love the realistic development in her respect for him as well as the portrayal of his strength of character amid all the florid drama he has. (conversely, I find his supports with Cherche painful to read, since she obviously doesn't take him seriously and puts him down a lot--she has valid reasons of course, but the lack of trust/respect just make for incredibly poor romance, in my opinion, you are liable to read them differently and that's okay) Second favorite is probably Gaius and Panne. Gaius is probably my next favorite character, and I found their supports delightful, humorous, and also ones that evolved at a reasonable pace. It was adorable seeing their relationship grow.

Oh! By the way, on recycled Parent/Child supports. Apparently there's a DLC coming out eventually which actually has unique Father/Kid chats in it. [link] has been translating some of them, if you care to peruse their tumblr.
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AerynLeafy Featured By Owner Mar 26, 2013
This game is my life right now LOL There's just so much to do, I never seem to have enough time to finish it all! What with training new recruits, maxing out stats, getting all the support convos... D: So much gaming! I love it so much. I'm a huge fan of POR, and this one actually lived up to my expectations. I agree about how crappy it is you can't support with DLC chars though :( And the glitch in North America how you can't streetpass with people if you have a DLC char in your party.

I'm loving so many of the characters, it's hard to choose! My favourite male char is Gaius. I love his support convos. He's just an all-around awesome guy xD My favourite girls... Sully for sure, and Tharja's a close second. Brady, Inigo and Kjelle are probably my fav from the 2nd gen. My fav pairing though... ah that's so hard to choose! Brady and Cynthia are really cute together, imo.

The support convos after you already get married can be so AWKWARD! Especially female mu with Chrom after she's married someone else! LOL And Gregor's convo with female mu is soo awkward too! LIbra and Gaius' support convos are hilarious if female mu married Gaius and had a kid already xD

I haven't beaten the game yet. I'm right outside the final chapter, but I've been getting all the kids and maxing out my party. I'm pumped to finish, but doing all the extra stuff (and the new DLC chapters that are coming out) is so fun too! :heart:
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keiiii Featured By Owner Mar 28, 2013   General Artist
Oh, I don't mean DLC characters lacking supports. I mean spotpass paralogue characters like Emmeryn. I don't mind people like Lyn or Seliph not having supports because they're just card summons in this game.

Gaius has some of the best supports for sure. He also has a very pleasant voice *_* I always have his battle animations on because of his voice!

The cool thing about beating FE:A is that you can continue the game after killing the boss. @_@ You retain all the level ups and weapon usages, etc. that happened during the final chapter, but none of the story progressions, including any supports done during the battle preparations. That means if you do a support during the final chapter battle preparation, it will be added to the support log, but when you load the save file it'll be like it never happened. In other words, you can collect multiple S-supports per character per playthrough!
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AerynLeafy Featured By Owner Mar 31, 2013
Ah ah, that's what I meant ^^; I can't believe after everything they went through, Emmeryn can't talk to her siblings when she comes back D: Same with Say'ri and Yen'fay, though I do like the reasoning behind Yen'fay coming back more than Gangrel, Walhart or Emmeryn. I think it makes a lot more sense than how the others came back.

Haha agreed! I think a lot of the voice acting is really good in the game.

Whoa! I didn't know that! I was a little hesitant to finish because I wanted to get everything and all the supports first. Good to know that doesn't really matter! :D
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keiiii Featured By Owner Mar 31, 2013   General Artist
Just make sure you don't save after doing the support in the battle preparation. I have not tested this myself, but I would assume saving after viewing the S support makes that pairing permanent.

Gangrel/ Emmeryn surviving doesn't make a whole lot of sense/ seems highly implausible, but I like how they handled Gangrel's post-Arc 1 development, writing-wise. As for Walhart... he did it once during the Valm arc, so it didn't throw me off as much when he did it again.

My minor quibble about Yen'fay and Say'ri: they look Asian, and I'd reason that in their country, younger siblings refer to their elders by kinship terms, not their given names. It bugs me when Say'ri calls her brother by his name instead of "brother." >_>
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AerynLeafy Featured By Owner Apr 4, 2013
Yep, that's what happens. I was always careful when testing out S support convos for that very reason. Don't want to accidentally marry two people haha

Emmeryn coming back is the most awkward, imo. Her death had so much meaning for the game and the characters, and then she comes back as an amnesiac with significantly lower intelligence. Kinda underwrites her death scene (which was so powerful! I couldn't believe that happened when I got to that part).

You're right! That never even crossed my mind, but that's totally true. She's not in my main party, so I don't hear her talk a lot, but she does say 'brother' sometimes, doesn't she?
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keiiii Featured By Owner Apr 4, 2013   General Artist
I wasn't all that saddened by Emmeryn's death because I never cared about her, but I cared about Lissa and Chrom, and their reactions made up for it. For the same reason, I do like the idea of Emmeryn coming back because it creates poignant dynamics between those siblings, although that's totally moot because NO SUPPORTS. :( Huge wasted opportunity there.

I don't remember Say'ri ever saying "brother" to address him -- only when she refers to him. It's a little jarring when she yells out "Yen'fay!" in voice D: I'm Asian and my younger brother would never call me by my name, even though he's totally American in terms of culture.
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AerynLeafy Featured By Owner Apr 5, 2013
Definitely. It would have been interesting to see how Chrom and Lissa cope with Emmeryn coming back as she did. Same with Yen'fay and Say'ri.

You'd think they'd have realized that when they translated the game D: I wonder what the Japanese voice actors said for those two.
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Blue-Sage Featured By Owner Mar 25, 2013
I want to ride off into the sunset with Yarne, to be honest! Him and Noire are probably my favorite two children characters and I really like Maribelle, Sully, Stahl, and Panne. Though to be honest I am pretty much in love with this entire cast- it feels so good to be able to play a Fire Emblem game again!! And I agree with you about the generic father supports, I understand there was a lot of writing on their plate making romantic supports possible between most of the characters but I would've loved to see more platonic stuff.
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keiiii Featured By Owner Mar 28, 2013   General Artist
Yarne is a hottie! He looks like a proud warrior race guy... which he is... just not a typical one.

I haven't even gotten Noire yet (Tharja got benched in my first playthrough), but I don't know if I'll like her much. I like Tharja well enough, but Noire's personality just seems so... gimmicky? Not believable enough? Yeah. Her supports might change my mind, though. We will see.

Maribelle was surprisingly likable! She's so much more than her predecessors L'arachel and Serra. Not that I dislike those two; Maribelle is just 10x more awesome.
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Blue-Sage Featured By Owner Apr 4, 2013
I feel you on Yarne and agree! His first appearance definitely gives off the "taguel warrior" vibe but when he starts speaking it's a total disconnect with how he looks! He's easily frightened and comes with all sorts of excuses to avoid fighting on the front lines with the justification of self preservation- it's great! And I had my Avatar and Panne marry and he was able to have a sister and it just melted my heart, probably because I'm so sappy. :)

And Noire is maybe an acquired taste I think! She has a pessimistic, easily frightened personality like Yarne and is used to growing up with magical abuse from being Tharja's test subject in the future, but she has a more violent and explosive side too-- so maybe that was an attempt at having a more "mood swingish" character and I do like her, but I understand she won't appeal to everyone!

And yes Maribelle! Serra and L'Arachel are both great, but Maribelle just takes the cake for seemingly prissy and haughty noble woman who is actually quite receptive and kind. I just love the majority of this cast so much!
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keiiii Featured By Owner Apr 8, 2013   General Artist
Me too; Awakening's cast is filled with awesome and love. :D
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BrandedCharmer93 Featured By Owner Mar 25, 2013  Student Traditional Artist
I agree with the non-flirty post-marriage supports O_O
I was rather offended when Gregor mentioned us sleeping in the same bved together. HELLO, I AM MARRIED TO HENRY.
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kilted-katana Featured By Owner Mar 25, 2013  Hobbyist Artisan Crafter
So I really like almost everybody in this game, mostly because they do a good job of keeping everyone pretty true to their character no matter who you pair them with.

As for my favorite pairings... I think the one that comes to mind right now is Nowi & Henry. It seems really wierd considering she acts like a little kid and he's kinda psychotic, but it's super cute when they finally get married because he wants to have kids so she'll have little ones to play with forever. I just thought it was really cute. Then again so is almost every pairing I've done so far...
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keiiii Featured By Owner Mar 29, 2013   General Artist
I HATE SethxNatasha in FE8 because it contradicts everything I liked about Seth. So yeah, supports being in line with the characters is a big deal. FE:A does one better though. The characters not only remain true to themselves in supports, some of them even GROW through them.

(Which just aggravates the problem of generic paired endings. Many of the endings do not reflect how these characters grew through the supports...)

Another huge thing about FE:A is that many of the characters aren't one-dimensional. Vaike isn't as stupid as he initially lets on; Maribelle is not just some stuck-up, spoiled airhead noble girl; Virion isn't just a stupid skirt chaser; Tharja isn't just a creepy black magic lady (her Nowi support!!). etc etc.
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kilted-katana Featured By Owner Mar 30, 2013  Hobbyist Artisan Crafter
You speak the TRUTH!
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im-myke-guys Featured By Owner Mar 24, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
doesn't release in aus until april 20 orz
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Umbrielle Featured By Owner Mar 24, 2013  Student
Whoops, kinda long, and I haven't finished the game yet (still on the chapter where you first fight Yen'fay) but these are my thoughts so far.

I liked Lon'qu a lot, I enjoy his supports so far and I think he's a great unit to use! I'm on B with his support with Cherche and I really find myself wanting to know more about his backstory... it really reminds me of the good ol' days when support convos really showed what a character was about and gave us something to care about beyond what the main plot told us. I haven't seen many supports like that in awakening so far but Lonqu/Cherche gives me hope! (myunitxchrom???? he walks in on her naked and then she walks in on him naked and then chrom says "yeah we have no secrets from each other now" AND I JUST CAN'T HANDLE THEIR SUPPORT CONVOS, their S-Rank had me giggling the whole time) And infinite support convos, with the limitation of just one S-rank???? wow dream come true. Sometimes I forget that supports don't have a range of up to three tiles away anymore, but the ability to have an experienced unit act as a boost to a weaker unit really helps me level up the weaker one, it's neat!

Aside from Lon'qu I also really liked Sully, Sumia, and Kellam. My Sully, in particular, is a BEAST. I haven't gotten many child characters yet since I'm trying to min/max a little, hahah, but i think maybe i should give up on that for my first playthrough and just let loose and have fun. I had a peek at my Kjelle, though (parents being Sully and Stahl) and HOT DANG she has monster base stats because I use Sully and Stahl a lot, it's going to be really satisfying to use her uwu A pairing I really like so far is Maribelle and Ricken, I just found their support convos really, really cute.

What did kind of turn me off a little at first, as silly as it might sound, was the new art style. There was just always something I enjoyed about Fire Emblem's take on fantasy armour that, while not exactly 100% practical (miniskirts on girls riding flying horses into high altitudes, anyone) I still enjoyed it. Its aesthetic was down-to-earth, in a way, without details that were completely absurd. To me, it looked more functional than what I expected fantasy armour to look. And yeah, I guess it was also something I'd grown used to over the years so there's also the fact that I was just comfortable with it.

Then along comes FE awakening with Lissa wearing her metal hoop skirt to battle and Kellam with his I DON'T EVEN KNOW armour that looks like he'd topple over (how do you NOT notice him) and Cherche with her big, exposed "hit me" window in the back of her uniform [link] and it just took a bit to get used to.... but I'll get over it. I think I'll come to enjoy the new aesthetic, but the older art styles will still have a special place in my heart.
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keiiii Featured By Owner Mar 24, 2013   General Artist
I agree that some of the designs are quite flamboyantly impractical. Though I can forgive Lissa's skirt on the account of her being a princess (it did look extremely uncomfortable in the camping scene early in the game, however. She goes to SLEEP wearing that!?), and the heavy armors for the fact they actually do fall over when they activate Luna. XD Nowi's outfit is ridiculous but I can buy the 'it's her slave auctioning outfit' theory; she could have been dressed as an entertainment package.

Overall, I find FE:A to be an improvement over the previous two titles/ remakes on the aesthetics front. Masamune Shirow's style in particular did not mesh with the series at all.

There were a few new-ish details that I liked, too. I like that Cherche's shoulder plates are grill-like instead of being a solid sheet of metal; it looks like they were designed to be lighter to facilitate flight. Though I really would prefer for the FE series to adopt leather armors for flyers, especially the pegasus types. It would make a lot more sense!

I like Lon'qu a lot too. I paired him with Nowi the first time around, then when I read his Cherche and Tharja supports, things got really interesting in conjunction with his Nowi supports. It gave me this... idea/theory (probably obvious to most people, but I don't know that for sure). I'll talk about that in detail when I get around to doing a fanart of him.
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Darkie4Eva Featured By Owner Mar 22, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
Gawd, you're so very right~ I wish they had better paired endings and more child/father supports and more....more....MORE EVERYTHING!! XD
My favorite characters have gotta be Chrom, (Male) Morgan, My Unit, Gaius, Tharja, Tiki, and Stahl~ I actually have two games going at once with entirely different pairings in each one, but I'd still have to say mah favorite pairing ever is Chrom x FemAvatar~ Probably because I love Lucina/Morgan sibling supports~
I also like Tharja x Henry, Tiki x My Unit, Stahl x Cordelia, Morgan x Nah, and Gaius x Everybody~ (He's gotta have some of the best supports ever! C: )
Ooh, now you've given me an idea for a picture of mah lovely family's paired ending~
(And this is not exactly related (is it?) but I LOVE your Fire Emblem art! :worship: :) )
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keiiii Featured By Owner Mar 24, 2013   General Artist
AGREED on Gaius. His supports are the best! Except his Sumia support, which IMO paled in comparison to the others. He also has a very pleasant voice.

Morgan's father C support won my heart instantly. The headbanging part... XDDD

Tharja got benched on my first playthrough. ._____.;; Trying to use her more this time. Tharja and Maribelle, I was quite surprised to find how much I liked them. I expected Maribelle to be an annoying airhead like Serra and L'arachel, but she's surprisingly caring and has most of her values straight... She just has some growing to do is all. Tharja too turned out to be... significantly nicer than her description/ recruit conversation made her seem.
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Darkie4Eva Featured By Owner Mar 25, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
Yeah, Gaius has a nice voice~ And Morgan...gah, I love Morgan, he's so much fun! XD
Tharja is a little creepy... I didn't use her much in my first game(though later I went back and leveled her up via Risen battles), but I'm using her alot more in my second. (She keeps trying to S-support with my Avatar....No, Tharja! I'm gonna marry Tiki!)
Maribelle has remained benched for both my playthroughs, though....somehow I keep forgetting to use her ^^;
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keiiii Featured By Owner Mar 26, 2013   General Artist
It's weird how Maribelle is harder to use than Lissa. In previous FE games troubadours were easier to use than clerics because of their mobility. But in FE:A, mobility isn't much of a bonus for healers because they need to be protected and surrounded.

Tharja is a little creepy, yes, but even she has a caring side. It's amazing how there's something you can relate to in every character in the cast, flaws and strengths alike.
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Darkie4Eva Featured By Owner Mar 26, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
Yeah, I agree. I always used troubadours over clerics before (poor Serra got benched in my first playthrough), but not this time....Hmm, not entirely related, but what're the troubadours two upgrade options, I wonder...And are any of them as epic as Lissa with an axe?

Definitely amazing. Though I probably relate better to Gaius' obsession with sweet stuff(me = sugar addict) than Tharja with the curse thing...but she's still cool. (And she has very fun supports~)
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keiiii Featured By Owner Mar 28, 2013   General Artist
I'm not a big fan of Tharja's whole curse gimmick... I see it as just that, a gimmick. But there's more to her personality than just hex mumbo jumbo. That's a huge difference between FE:A and previous FE titles for me. None of the characters has a flat, one-sided personality. They are all very multi-faceted. :D

Take Sain + Gatrie + Virion + Inigo, for example. I see Virion and Inigo as easily having more personality than Sain and Gatrie even though they are all skirt chasers.

Maaaaybe Henry might be an exception. I find him to be the least multi-faceted among the FE:A cast (even then he's not completely flat). The comedy he provides more than makes up for it, though.
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